id sold out?

[Chubz]

doom 3 was more a doom game than doom

Doom was a fast-paced, in-your-face game about rocking to badass music and blowing the hell out of everything that moved while attempting to find keycards or the exit to each level.

Doom 3 was not even close to that experience.  It was dark, it was slow, it was boring, and it was incredibly predictable and repetitive.  The only parts in the game that weren't completely average were the Hell sections.  If the rest of the game were like that, I might excuse it.

[Bad Sector]

Doom 3 would be much much better if the levels between Alpha Labs Sector 4 (level and Hell (level 20) were missing. Or at least had some VARIETY! I don't mind the gameplay, i actually liked it (consider what else we had at the moment please... when Doom 3 was released it was an oasis in a pre-scripted, WW2 themed, orchestrical desert - sure most plants were dead and the water was muddy, but it was still an oasis). What i did not liked was that every level was looking the same. The game had some nice atmosphere at the initial levels but it became old quick because there wasn't much progression on it.

[Snipe[LAN]]

Sorry, I have to agree with Bad Sector on this one ... DOOM 3 wasn't the best game ever, but at the time it was once again a technical masterpiece.  I now have fond, nostalgic feelings about it since it's beginning to age quite a bit.  I loved the first few levels, most of the in-between stuff, and most of the last levels.  It was just such a unique visual and auditory experience.  You can't discredit that.

I was disappointed a bit because I was expecting a bit more involvement with characters other than PDAs.  I didn't mind that they deviated from the rather childish concept of DOOM (You're the sole survivor and somehow just more badass than the rest of the entire Marine Corps, so you take it to these assholes).  I like that there was another team moving through the base, and that there were sparsely scattered survivors (even though they usually get killed, and the other team gets slaughtered as soon as you reach them, of course).

The other big disappointment was the obvious poor choices made on level design and pacing, but overall DOOM 3 will remain a favorite of mine.

[Rizimar]

I liked Doom III a lot the first three days that I had it. After I beat it, I didn't want to play it again. I'd reinstall it if my computer could handle it a bit better, but the beginning took a while to get to the action, everything being scripted removed a lot of spontaneity from the gameplay, and the PDAs really slowed down the action (who wants to stop and read all the time when they're in the middle of an alien attack?)

Though, speaking of id itself, I think it's funny how we all seem to think of it less as a company and more as a heavy metal band. John Romero was the original frontman, and now they're "selling out" by making a business merger. That's not to say that I don't think that id would have been better off if they kept Romero. Their games would probably have been more diverse and entertaining. It's just that we should keep in mind that they are a company, so they're going to do whatever they believe will grant them the most financial success.

[sathomaso]

"Why legendary game developer John Carmack shelved his ego and sold id to ZeniMax"

Here’s an interview with John Carmack, the last remaining founder of id Software, the legendary video game developer which agreed to be acquired yesterday by another video maker ZeniMax Media.

Texas-based id was one of the last of the major indie developers that made mega-hit titles such as Wolfenstein and Doom. I talked with Carmack, ZeniMax chief executive Robert Altman, and id Software CEO Todd Hollenshead about why they did the deal and what the future holds for the combined company.

full interview here:
http://venturebeat.com/2009/06/25/the-big-game-deal-why-ids-john-carmack-shelved-his-ego-and-sold-out-to-zenimax/

[Bad Sector]

I liked Doom III a lot the first three days that I had it. After I beat it, I didn't want to play it again. I'd reinstall it if my computer could handle it a bit better, but the beginning took a while to get to the action, everything being scripted removed a lot of spontaneity from the gameplay, and the PDAs really slowed down the action (who wants to stop and read all the time when they're in the middle of an alien attack?)

Actually... me . I *love* these PDAs since i saw them for the first time in Unreal 1. I would gather a bunch of them, move to a safe location and start listening/reading them. I'm still not sure i have found every PDA in the game.

I think it somehow replaced (in a watered down way) the secrets of early games.

John Romero was the original frontman, and now they're "selling out" by making a business merger.

Actually people think they're selling out because they used to be one of the last old independent game developers.

[Rizimar]

Actually people think they're selling out because they used to be one of the last old independent game developers.

They've simply grown too large. id has almost always been about making engines that push the current technologies to their limits to bring a more realistic experience to their games. They have a larger staff to meet greater goals. That's why I don't see it as "selling out".

[zfan]

doom 3 was more a doom game than doom

Doom was a fast-paced, in-your-face game about rocking to badass music and blowing the hell out of everything that moved while attempting to find keycards or the exit to each level.

Doom 3 was not even close to that experience.  It was dark, it was slow, it was boring, and it was incredibly predictable and repetitive.  The only parts in the game that weren't completely average were the Hell sections.  If the rest of the game were like that, I might excuse it.

could of sworn i said doom 2... oh well... im talking atmosphere wise which doom 2 had  none and besides its beyond question doom is a franchise than series now(multiple books, amovie with nicely complete differnt monsters, a comic that induces more brain-damage than nuts wad with polka music(where did i get that from?) a good number of games and i once saw a caco soccerball) so ocne a franchise is made thing tend to change... sadly

[Hugo]

Actually people think they're selling out because they used to be one of the last old independent game developers.

They've simply grown too large. id has almost always been about making engines that push the current technologies to their limits to bring a more realistic experience to their games. They have a larger staff to meet greater goals. That's why I don't see it as "selling out".

I said it before, and I’ll say it again. The only reason they grown bigger is to increase the value of the company for potential buyers.

It’s like you said; id has almost always been about making engines that push current technologies to their limit to bring a more realistic experience to their games.

So why start a mobile division ? So why get an extra team to do Quake Live ?

They have been planning to sell for a few years now.

[jleeto]

Carmack doesn't do all the programming anymore. He mainly is a supervisor.  He does help with improving the engines.

  Finally we start to get some real details about RAGE.

  It's looking pretty good.   ID decided to jump on the open-world band wagon.   

  But another game that's been in development for a while that is very similar to Rage is Borderlands.  Except that while Borderlands is ALSO a FPS with driving combat in an open barren "Mad Max" style wasteland; It also has Diablo style rpg stuff mixed in.  Random loot , random weapons..

  Rage will be the "lite" version of Borderlands.  Probebly with a smaller game world.

[zfan]

unless borderland features off-world exploring, which i doutt(<-srry for spelling) and massive races